Statins: numbers needed to treat and personal decision making
BMJ 2014; 349 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.g4980 (Published 05 August 2014) Cite this as: BMJ 2014;349:g4980
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I see now why Richard Watson took personal offence at my phrase "his stealth provides a Trojan Horse for drug company profiteering." I apologise for any misunderstanding. Having not understood why you accused the Professor of shouting, whilst you were calm and reasonable, I described it as stealth. You introduced JBS3 into the debate, which I feel IS a vehicle by which the JBS extols the virtues of statins, whilst telling us nothing of their harms, trouble, or costs - hence "Trojan Horse". This is how Pharmaceutical companies promote their products, and yes the JBS consultants do acknowledge their financial interests.
NICE also declares a finacial interest - the cost-effectivene use of NHS resources.
I had not understood, for my part, that capitalisation can be construed by some as as 'shouting'. Unfortunately capitalisation is the only way in a textual rapid response to lay emphasis.
I again apologise to Richard for any unintended implication that he was personally deceitful, and hope this clears the air between us.
With best wishes,
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Paul Nguyen makes the fair point that NNHs and NNTs derived from short term RCTs may be inaccurate. But for the purposes of personal decision-making we need only be ball-park estimates of costs, benefits, and harms. Many trials have long demonstrated that statins lower CVD events right across the risk range. The practical implication raises issues of Cost ( rationing ), Acceptability (personal choices), Safety ( mortality is NOT increased, but just how safe are statins ? ) , and Effectiveness ( 30% reductions in CVD event rates).
Way back in 1995 WOSCOPS (http://www.trialresultscenter.org/study2589-WOSCOPS.htm) provided the most relevant estimates for 45-64 year old men in the Glasgow region, demonstrating that (prava)statin reduced coronary events by 30%, and all-cause deaths by 22%, whereas the placebo group remained at an actual 7.5% five-year event-rate. Thus the Absolute risk reduction was 2.26% in 5 years, yielding an NNT of 220. Since then generic production of several statins has cut the price more than 20-fold.
Both Raj Bhopal and Richard Watson’s contribution testify to the vagaries of risk estimation ( Assign , QRisk and JBS3 all differing ).
They also both demonstrate the importance of ‘acceptability’. NICE has revised it’s position in the light of falling costs, and now advises that Statin prescription down to 10% ten-year Qrisk. Raj Bhopal decided not to take a statin, despite being above this threshold, whilst Richard Watson, despite being below the threshold, preferred to go for triple therapy. In my view both (as patients) are entitled to their decision, free from any personal abuse, using the best possible estimates of Cost, Acceptability, Safety, and Effectiveness in each CASE. Hence the need for robust debate in these columns, which may feel rough, but I do hope never abusive..
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In the current heated debate over the benefits and harms of statins, many voices have requested the calculation and publication of the NNTs (number-needed-to-treat) and NNHs (number-needed-to-harm)1 in order to facilitate decision making with respect to individual patient treatment with statins in primary prevention.
However, the validity of extrapolating data from meta-analyses that incorporated trials of relatively short duration (median follow-ups from 1.8 year to 4.9 years), with the aim to calculate a 5-year (or 10-year) NNTs and NNHs may be questionable.
Truncated trials overestimate the reported benefits of any treatment. This overestimation is independent of prespecified rules and greater in truncated trials having fewer than 500 events.3 Therefore a 5-year (or a10-year) NNT based on extrapolation from data obtained by meta-analyses that included truncated trials with a relatively short duration, like ASCOT-LLA,4 or CARDS,5 JUPITER, 6 whose median follow-ups were 3.3 years, 3.6 years, and 1.8 years respectively, may overestimate the benefits and cannot be considered a reliable indicator for decision-making when considering starting a "lifelong" treatment for a specific patient.
Moreover the definitions of the so-called major adverse cardiovascular events (MACE), to which the calculated NNTs apply, should also be taken into consideration. These MACEs are most often composite end-points (made of “hard” end-points like deaths or cardiovascular deaths, mixed with “soft” end-points like diagnosis of unstable angina, non-fatal stroke, decisions for hospitalisations or for catheterisation and/or for stenting). The respective weight and the subjectivity to biases may differ for each individual MACE, especially for the “soft” end-points, which are quite prone to biases as they are not end-points per-se, but medical decisions, and therefore quite easily influenced by judgement or perception, particularly in non-blinded or poorly blinded trials.6
Much has been written about the proven and associated harms of statins, the evidence for which is accumulating. Meta-analyses do suggest that statins indeed increase the risk for new-onset diabetes.8 However, the 5-year (or 10-year) NNHs, if extrapolated from the data of these truncated trials, may still be underestimating the real harm for 3 main reasons. Firstly, randomised patients usually have been screened carefully and pre-exposed to the active drug through a run-in period thus excluding those intolerant to the study drug.9 Secondly, adverse events may be minimized10 or considered subjectively by the investigators as non-related to the study drug such as cases of rhabdomyolysis.11 Thirdly, the most serious adverse events may take variable time-periods to develop, such as occurrence of acute kidney injuries, as demonstrated by an elegant cohort study12 or a more recent observational study.13
Therefore, we caution that the 5-year (or 10-year) NNTs and NNHs calculated from meta-analysis that incorporated truncated trials may be inaccurate and misleading. There is a clear risk of underestimating the NNTs and overestimating the NNHs.
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Authors:
Paul v Nguyen MD, Internal Medicine Specialist, Centre Hospitalier Universitaire de Montréal, Montréal, Canada
Pierre Biron, MD, Pharmacology Professor (Retired), Université de Montréal, Montréal, Canada
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These are philosophical differences and I still side with the eminent authors of JBS3 and my other reference, which are in no way refuted by the various responses.
But it was not me who made "false charges and ad hominem attacks." Dr Lewis said "his stealth provides a Trojan Horse for drug company profiteering." "Stealth" means acting covertly, and "a Trojan Horse" is to use trickery or deceit. But I guess a level of personal abuse is the price you pay for sticking your head above the parapet on any matter at all.
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Dear Dr Richard Watson,
False charges and ad hominem attacks are in my view worse failings than the ‘shouting’ which you accuse this discussion of thus far.
“Dr Lewis says that I am working covertly for the drug companies who make statins and antihypertensives and am failing to declare it in the compulsory declaration of interests.”
I said no such thing, and therefore have no need to retract. But I do believe that to advocate treatment of a healthy 55-year-old man with a normal BP and cholesterol is a poor use of limited funds. You are such a normal male, with a low CVD event risk, a normal cholesterol, a rather favourably high HDL, and a marginally high BP, for which NICE advises lifestyle change and ambulatory/home BP monitoring.. JBS3 shows that such a person has an unsurprisingly ’55-year-old heart’. Add the most relevant factor – FH of a CV event - and your risk goes up by 1.5 x normal if it were an MI in first-degree relative.. There are many such persons in my practice , some more keen than Dr Raj Bhopal to start preventive treatment. Personal decision-making is subject to cost-effectiveness NICE guidance in the NHS, as well as carrying harms and marginal benefits for the hundreds of individuals requiring to be treated for just one to gain.
“By implication all the eminent authors and bodies behind JBS3 (1) are also acting solely out of desire for personal profit. I simply do not believe that so many doctors are so unethical.” Nor do I believe that such eminent authors would act ‘solely out of desire for personal profit’, if at all. The JBS3 Declaration of Interests is to be found at http://www.jbs3risk.com/pages/DOI%20for%20JBS3.pdf .
I do believe that ‘lifetime risk’ engenders a serious deviation from cost-effectiveness, and much prefer the NICE expert guidance focussed on ten-year risk to the misguided JBS3 ‘lifetime risk’ calculator, for the reasons which I stated in my first posting. I do believe that scarce NHS funds must be rationed cost-effectively, and am happy to be labelled by you as a ‘leftist’ in that regard. May I ask that you read the responses to your reference (2) - http://www.bmj.com/content/348/bmj.g3047/rapid-responses to see the rational critique expounded in detail. The trouble with JBS3 is that it over-emphasises benefits for everyone, and pays no attention whatever to harms or costs per event avoided. In your case JBS3 claims you have put off your heart attack by 4 years after just 6 weeks of Amlodipine, Ramipril, and Atorvastatin ! Look carefully and JBS3 also tells you you are likely to live into you 80s and not suffer a heart attack.
Returning to the individual personal decision regarding “a healthy 55-year-old man with a normal BP and cholesterol”, the fact remains that your Ramipril will need to be swallowed for 800 years ( or by 80 men for 10 years ) to be confident of avoiding one serious CV event, whilst simvastatin would need to be swallowed for 400 years.to avoid one serious CV event. Even at a conservative estimated cost of £2.50 per month this implies somewhere between £15000 and £24000 per event. If you pays your money you takes your choice, and take the consequences !
Dr L S Lewis
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Dr Lewis says that I am working covertly for the drug companies who make statins and antihypertensives and am failing to declare it in the compulsory declaration of interests. This is a serious accusation that I deny and ask him to retract.
By implication all the eminent authors and bodies behind JBS3 (1) are also acting solely out of desire for personal profit. I simply do not believe that so many doctors are so unethical. The reasoning behind JBS3 is not only contained in the document itself, but was eloquently expressed in a recent BMJ article (2).
He goes on to say that I am robbing the NHS and denying cancer patients their medication. All this because I choose to follow expert advice and take generic medication that costs about £2.50 per month. This leftist view of the importance of rationing is the sort of view that gets the NHS a bad name in other developed countries.
I will continue to use JBS3 with myself and my patients.
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1 Heart 2014;100:ii1-ii67 doi:10.1136/heartjnl-2014-305693
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Joint British Societies’ consensus recommendations for the prevention of cardiovascular disease (JBS3)
JBS3 Board
2. Taking a longer term view of cardiovacular risk: the causal exposure paradigm. Allan Snidermann et al. BMJ 2014;348:g3047
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Richard Watson’s response sounds very measured and calm, but I fear his stealth provides a Trojan Horse for drug company profiteering.
As a fellow GP I would agree he has every right to delay his first cardiovascular event by four years, by starting ramipril, amlodipine and atorvastatin, if it were his free choice and at his expense. But Richard calculated his own ASSIGN risk to be very low at 7.5% in 10 years. The chances are that he will not have a heart attack in his lifetime, and delaying the one after his 100th birthday and long dead is not a good use of NHS funds (ref 1). NICE calculates quite correctly that below 15% ten-year risk is not a cost-effective use of Statin. Cash could be better spent on cancer drugs, for example.
Richard has been beguiled by JBS3’s ‘lifetime risk’ calculator, which http://www.jbs3risk.com/ says ‘represents an opportunity for investment in future cardiovascular health’. It certainly represents a major opportunity for drug manufacturers to profit from NHS expenditure. The deceit of ‘Lifetime risk’ has been ably criticised elsewhere (ref 2), and should not traduce the NICE cost-effectiveness tools. Drug treatment of people with 10-year CVD risk below 15% yields very little benefit for individuals, with a large number of people exposed to side-effects, at a high net cost.
Richard is correct to say that ‘the arguments against the use of statins for primary prevention surely also apply to treatment of high blood pressure’. NICE has always argued that hypertension treatment should also be restricted to those at significant CVD risk. Mild hypertension in low-risk men (MRC trial last century, for example) required 800 man-years of treatment to prevent one stroke.
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1. Pills in the sky
L Sam Lewis
BMJ 2008;336:174 (Published 24 Jan 2008)
2. Is estimating lifetime cardiovascular risk useful?
Rod Jackson, Andrew Kerr, Sue Wells
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Re: Statins: numbers needed to treat and personal decision making. An alternative personal decision.
I read your letter with interest, but was puzzled by your eventual decision not to take statins. A 22% risk of a cardiovascular event in the next ten years is pretty high. I suggest that Professor Bhopal looks at the JBS3 risk calculator, which he does not mention. He almost certainly has significant damage to his arteries already and it seems a shame to await an event before starting treatment. I too am Scottish with a family history of a cardiovascular event below 60. I am 55 with a systolic BP of 147, total cholesterol of 5.2 and an HDL of 2.3. I have pursued lifestyle measures to the nth degree. This gives me a 7.5% risk using ASSIGN, but JBS3 gives me a heart age of 59. Six weeks ago I started ramipril, amlodipine and atorvastatin and JBS3 says that I have now postponed my first cardiovascular event by four years.
Professor Capewell's points are not helped by the shouting. All the arguments against the use of statins for primary preventionn surely also apply to treatment of high blood pressure, yet few are argueing against that.
It would seem a shame if Professor Bhopal's next appearance in the BMJ is in the obituary section.
Reference - http://www.jbs3risk.com/
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Prof Bhopal describes himself as a South Asian resident in Scotland and therefore doubly at risk. If he is Scottish born and bred, eating Scottish food, particularly haggis, imbibing Scotch, beer, smoking, allowing adipose tissue to accumulate, eschewing physical exercise, avoiding climbing crags, sitting at his computer all day long, then, yes, I, from south of Hadrian's Wall might consider him at risk of heart trouble. If his ancestors in Far Off Lands had coronary problems, again he would be at some risk. Since South Asia is a vague geographical area, I presume it includes Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, the population is very varied genetically, in dietetic habits, in physical activity. Therefore, I am loath to treat epidemiological studies of non-communicable disease in the said population as suitable pointers to preventive action. If Prof Bhopal belonged to a genetically homogeneous group such as Khukhrains of Punjab and Afghanistan, Mirpurees of Pakista, Parsees, then the epidemiological studies of the groups would be convincing.
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Re: Statins: numbers needed to treat and personal decision making
Further to my responses of 8 August, may I be permitted to draw attention to the work carried out in Quetta, Pakistan? The investigators studied the effect of walnut on the lipid profile of four "ethnic groups", namely, Baloch, Pathan, Hazara and Punjabi. The study is more in line with my suggestion of 8 August. It predates my letter and of course the researchers and their work were totally unknown to me.
May I commend the study (1) to our (British) epidemiologists in respect of the value of disagregating study populations in to - as far as possible - homogeneous groups?
JK Anand
Ref. Mushtaq R, Mushtaq R, Khan ZT. Effect of walnut on lipid profile in obese females of different ethnic groups of Quetta, Pakistan. Pakistan Jl of Nutrition 8(10), 1617-1622, 2009. ISSN 1680-5194
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